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Do I really need to join mum and baby groups, even though I have social anxiety?

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arlier this week, I posted one of those ‘Ask Me Anything’ widgets over on Instagram Stories, and one of the questions I got was something I’ve been thinking about quite a bit lately:

What are your thoughts on baby groups? Do you go to any with Max?

So, here’s the thing: I really, really hate people.  Groups, I mean! GROUPS! Er, groups of people, I guess. Especially ones I don’t know, and who I’m supposed to attempt to socialise with. And, of course, for those of you who’ve been reading this blog for any length of time, this will come as no surprise at all. I’ve written at length (At great, great length…) about my social anxiety, my shyness and  my introversion –  and absolutely none of that screams, “Person who will want to join parenting groups!” does it?

Nevertheless, when you become a parent, you start to find yourself under pressure to socialise with other parents – often for no other reason than the fact that they are other parents.  It starts as soon as you get pregnant, in fact. Take ante-natal classes, for instance. Now, I didn’t attend a single one of those: I felt – and my midwife agreed – that as someone suffering from tokophobia,  some of the situations covered in the classes could be quite triggering for me, and I was obviously keen to avoid that. In terms of the information provided by them, meanwhile, I know it can be invaluable to many people (And, just to be crystal clear, I’m not knocking these classes at all: I know they’re absolute lifelines for some people – they just weren’t for me), but I already had a lot of support and information from my midwife and doctor, so both Terry and I were comfortable with our decision not to sign up for any groups.

“Oh, but you HAVE to go to classes!” I was told. “Because you’ll be able to make friends there!”

And this refrain was repeated over and over again. No one, it seemed, felt I should be going to ante natal classes in order to learn about childbirth or parenting. Everyone, though, thought I should go anyway –  “to make friends.”

But here’s the thing:

I already have friends. And, honestly? I didn’t really feel the need to make any more.

In fact, the repeated insistence that I HAD to make new friends now that I was pregnant was really quite odd to me. I mean, it’s not like I was about to become the only mother in town or something. Almost all of my friends have young children – in fact, two of them were pregnant at the same time as me, so it’s not like I was going to find myself suddenly cast adrift, with nothing in common with anyone I knew, was it? Still, I was definitely going to need new friends, I was told, so I’d better get on that, STAT!

I didn’t, though.

And, honestly, it’s not something I can say I’ve regretted: mostly because, every time I try to imagine me attempting to make friends via an ante-natal group, it ends up being as awkward as that one time Chandler and Phoebe tried to kiss on Friends. (Only without the kissing, obviously – because I might be awkward, but I’m not quite THAT awkward…) Like, I bet they’d all start a Whatsapp group without me or something.  (Seriously, though, even my own FAMILY have a Whatsapp group that I’m not in, so it’s not like it never happens…)

On the beach at Wave Resort, Bulgaria

Once Max was born, though, the focus switched to mother and baby groups, and I suddenly found myself having to find excuses not to join those, either. Because, again, I don’t want to.

I don’t want to have to go through the anxiety I know it would cause me to walk into a room full of complete strangers, and try to socialise with them.   I don’t want to sit on my own in a corner, feeling stupid when all of my conversational gambits fall flat, and no one wants to talk to me. I don’t want to have to make small-stalk about the weather – or even about baby stuff, really, which I guess is the whole point. I don’t want to feel like I’m back in high school, always trying my best to fit in, never, ever managing it. I don’t want to go home afterwards, and over-analyse everything I said and did, cringing at how totally awkward and forced it all felt.

(I sense you all about to tell me that it might not be like that, and I might might some amazing people, who’d become friends for life. And, I mean, your faith in me is touching, seriously, but experience teaches me that, NO, it probably wouldn’t, unfortunately. Or, not unless I was somehow able to change my entire personality first, anyway, and miraculously turn into the kind of confident, outgoing person who enjoys meeting new people and manages to fit in with them – instead of being the shy, socially anxious person I ACTUALLY am. And it’s not that I don’t try either: at soft play, for instance, I always do my best to smile and make eye contact with the other parents there, but I never know what to say to them, other than the usual, “How old is yours, then?” and none of them seem particularly keen to chat anyway – possibly because most of the other mums seem to travel in pairs, and be much younger than me – so they’ll answer politely, but then that’s that.)

I just don’t want to go, basically. But, the problem here is that, unlike the ante-natal groups, which are all about forging friendships between parents, with mum and baby groups, we’re encouraged to believe that they’re good for the babies, too. Are they really, though, I wonder? Because, it’s not like Max doesn’t get any contact with other children without these groups: no, we go to soft play, or the park, when it’s warm enough, and we’ve also been making more of an effort lately to meet up with friends who have children, so he can get to know them, and do some socialising of his own.  Honestly, though? He doesn’t really seem to care. I mean, he’s quite interested in some of the older children he meets (Like, 4 or 5 year olds, say), but when he comes into contact with children his age, he generally completely ignores them – and they ignore him, right back. At this age, I’m not convinced he really NEEDS to socialise with other children: but I know the time is coming when he will, and while he’ll probably be in nursery by the time it’s really important, I’m also wondering how useful the dreaded mum and baby groups might be for him.

Do I need to just suck it up and accept that I need to try to get over my anxiety and start spending Tuesday mornings in a church hall somewhere, gamely making smalltalk with strangers, I wonder? Will I have to sing or, God forbid, craft? Because, seriously, the only reason I agreed to have a baby in the first place was because Terry promised me he’d do all the “crafting” required, and the only reason Terry agreed, was because my mum promised she’d do it, instead. Can you tell we’re not crafters? Would I have to bring baked goods, that I’d made myself? Would there be a “parent dance,” like on that one episode of Modern Family where Mitch and Cam take Lily to a baby group, and end up stealing another baby’s building blocks? Is all of my information on baby and toddler groups actually coming from all of those chick lit novels I used to read, in which the hapless heroine keeps making a fool of herself in front of the local “yummy mummies”, but eventually shows what she’s really made of by stepping up and organising the church fete single-handedly? Will I have to organise the church fete? Are church fetes even a thing now? Is it possible I’m getting a little bit carried away here? Because, yes, I think I probably am? OK, stopping now…

Do I REALLY need to join mum and baby groups, is what I’m asking? Or is enough – for now – to keep meeting up with friends and trying less anxiety-inducing activities like soft play?

What do you think?
How important is it to take your baby to groups or classes?
How important are mum and baby groups? Do you really need to take your child to them?

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54 Comments
  • Katalin
    January 18, 2019

    You absolutely don’t have to do anything you feel like would be bad for you. I took part in some similar groups (I live in Hungary, so maybe not the same type as in the UK but with the same general idea) and I never even talked really with any of the participants, although I am a fairly talkative person and I do not have issues to talk to strangers. Yet I felt that when it comes to motherhood/parenthood there are so many different approaches to so many decisions you have to make and sometimes wildly different levels of acceptance of other people’s choices, and I did not want to open up to people only to receive negative, codescending or any such type of comments on my choices at a point where even I had to find the stregth to stand up for those choices I make. I felt that if I ever socialize/talk to people I want them to be people I know will not make such comments. Of course I don’t only talk to people who think in the exact same way as I do but I do try to select those who I know have an open mind and are ready to discuss honestly and without any judgment our possibly different views. One thing I do not think we have to expose ourselves to during those (emotionally and psychologically) very difficult first months and years is unwelcome advice or comments. There’s enough of it in many other situations which you can’t totally avoid (although we can alwayt try) like at the doctor, at the nursery (other kids’ parents!) or on the street/at the bus stop/at playgrounds.

    • Loren
      February 2, 2019

      I love baby groups they are a lifeline to me when I have no one to talk to, when I need to get out the house, when my little one needs to play and she gets so much out of them. Toys she doesn’t have at home, messy play activities, chance to learn how to engage with other people. Some people don’t have other friends with babies, or many toys to provide, or anyone to talk to and this is where baby groups can be wonderful. The other side of it is the clique mums who make you feel unwanted and the dreaded “advice” people seem to want to dish out – but I found this to be rare, most mums at a group are there for similar reasons. I had one mum announce in front of a whole group of mums that coffee is bad for babies – as I had just fed mine and accepted a cup- it brought back my school age anxiety and I felt like leaving the group, but that is the first time in 14months I have come across a mum like that and frankly she is just a cow I have discovered lol! I don’t think baby groups are a necessity for everyone but they can be fantastic for socially isolated people or social butterflies! Good for young mums to venture to, to build confidence and mums with less money to be able to offer a lovely morning out for their little ones without breaking the bank and most groups cost £1-£3 or are free.

      Children centre play groups are so important underprivileged babies, did you know some babies don’t get spoken to all day, don’t have any toys, any social contact, so the dreaded singing you are so against for them is the only time they hear some doings and get some interaction.

      I am a firm believer in mums supporting mums and Even though it can be daunting to walk into a group of strangers, usually you will find someone lovely to talk to, and if you don’t it’s still nice to get out the house. I fully understand that they are not for everyone, but a post like this which makes them out to be pointless makes me feel like you haven’t got much consideration for the that others are not as privileged as you. If you don’t like them, don’t go, but why make others feel like it’s something stupid to to?

      • Amber
        February 2, 2019

        Loren, here’s a direct quote from my post:

        “just to be crystal clear, I’m not knocking these classes at all: I know they’re absolute lifelines for some people – they just weren’t for me”

        That’s in the third paragraph from the top, so I’m not sure how you could have missed it – or, indeed, how you can feel the tone you’ve adopted towards me in this comment is a good example of “mums supporting mums”? Absolutely nowhere in this post do I claim that groups are pointless or stupid, and your assumption that just because I don’t fancy joining one, I must be totally unaware that there are underprivileged children in the world is as baffling as it is condescending. This isn’t a post discussing whether or not groups might be useful for the underprivileged – I don’t think anyone would argue against that. It’s a post in which I talk about why my social anxiety makes them a daunting prospect for me *personally* – and, to be honest, the way you’ve come on here, lecturing, making assumptions, and accusing me of being inconsiderate hasn’t done much to challenge my anxiety about these groups: quite the opposite, in fact, as this kind of attitude is exactly the kind of thing I was worried about.

  • Helen Baker
    January 18, 2019

    Mother and Baby Groups are marvellous for the parents who need them. But I genuinely think they are quite irrelevant for the babies.

  • Gem
    January 18, 2019

    Oh thank god. A person who didn’t do the antenatal classes. I just don’t want to and my guilt about that is overwhelming. They seem expensive and pushy (locally we have three; one is obsessed with pushing the natural birth angle which is never going to happen for us, one is terribly rude about how incompetent first time fathers are and the third seems ok I guess). I know I’m supposed to go and make friends, but paying hundreds to met people who I only have ‘baby around the same age’ in common with doesn’t seem like it will lead to fabulous life long friendships. I would like to make friends (we recently moved and I’m quite lonely here) but I was hoping to do it a bit more organically.

    • Alice
      January 18, 2019

      Do you work? I’ve moved a lot for work and my friends tend to be current work colleagues. But I’m also happy doing a lot alone.

      • Gem
        January 18, 2019

        We moved for my husband’s work. I’m used to moving now, seven locations in twelve years, and have done for my work and his.

        For now I’ve picked up some volunteer bits and something that may lead to employment in an area of interest, but I’m more likely to go self employed then back to traditional employment.

        It’s ok. I always figure it out. There’s just an extra layer of guilt that baby might somehow suffer while I do.

        • Alice
          January 18, 2019

          No, I definitely wouldn’t worry about that! For the first few months the baby will be fine with just you.

  • Emerald
    January 18, 2019

    I’m not introverted myself and in the past I’ve often been guilty of trying to get folk to join in, i.e., introducing groups of friends who don’t hit it off (yikes!). I can do rooms of strangers and yes, even teach kids’ craft sessions without giving it a moment’s thought. With the wisdom of age, however, I recognise that this isn’t what my introvert friends want *at all*. I’ve learnt to appreciate quiet times. And I can also see how bloody irritating it must be that extroversion is held up as the default way for everyone to aspire to – crikey, everyone talking at once and no one listening? It would drive me mad too!

    As for parent-baby classes, they must be great for the right people. But I can’t see they’d benefit someone who’s definitely decided they’re not for her and has clearly thought things through. My mum ran away from such things. Like yourself she’s an introvert and I remember so many incidents where she was roped into helping other mothers mind children or drop them off somewhere, all when she had too many other things to do and didn’t feel she could say no.

    Why expect someone to be in a situation where they feel uncomfortable and/or be the same way we are?

    • Amber
      January 18, 2019

      Yeah, I definitely think introversion tends to be seen as a personality flaw, somehow, which makes people want to try to “fix” it, or to convince the introvert that they really WOULD enjoy X thing, if they just gave it a chance!

  • dubliner in deutschland
    January 18, 2019

    You definitely don’t have to go to mum and baby groups if you don’t want to. I did make friends from my prenatal group with babies around the same age and I found it nice having them to meet during the first few months as I would go stir crazy at home. In some ways though the only thing we have in common is having babies a similar age and I don’t think we would necessarily be friends otherwise. I went to a new mum and baby group once and everyone there seemed to know each other already and it definitely felt a little awkward.

    • Alice
      January 18, 2019

      but this is what I don’t understand! I would have gone mad stuck at home all day too – so I went out! To cafes, museums, galleries, markets – I didn’t need random strangers with babies to do that?

  • ArcticTringel
    January 18, 2019

    I never went to any of these groups with my first kid even though there was a lot of pressure from many sides. I was 22 at the time and all the other mothers were in their thirties and forties, but regardless I would need them as friends, I was told.

    I tried with my other kid (now 31) and came to the conclusion I was intuitively protecting myself back then. Sanctimommies do not tend to stay on the internet in these parts (and I won’t even start with sanctidaddies, that’s a while another realm). Also there’s only so much diaper talk I can take, and that’s what’s in common with strange moms and dads.

    Both of my kids socialize a lot. With us, our friends and relatives. My first kid was very well adjusted when he began nursery and went to school. We never even had kids’ hobbies before school, because we do a lot by ourselves. I’ve never regretted not signing up, even though I was told I would be lonely and alone without them. I wasn’t. Turned out my friends liked me regardless of kids or not kids and wanted to hang out with us.

    • Amber
      January 18, 2019

      This is interesting, because I actually have the opposite problem – my friends with kids are all roughly the same age as me, but our group seems to be a bit of an anomaly, because the other mums I see at soft play etc are all much, much younger. I know there’s nothing stopping me making friends with them anyway, obviously, but I do think there’s probably less chance of having something in common with them: they always look right through me, anyway, so I’d imagine they’re probably thinking the same about me!

      • Arctictringel
        January 20, 2019

        Maybe it’s a local thing. At least here in Finland the younger moms tend to be on the northern side of the country and older moms gravitate towards bigger cities in south. Who knows.

        I also felt them looking right through me back then. Now that I’m older all the other mommies seem to want to talk to me, no matter how much I avoid them. 😀

  • Lalie
    January 18, 2019

    You don’t need to. I dreaded the idea, suffering from horrendous PND didn’t help, so stayed well away from the germs and the awkwardness for the first year or so.
    Then I tried a few, and I am glad I did. I never feel the need to talk, and was quite happy looking at my child, still ended up meeting nice people and getting great advice on local places. My child LOVED it! no interest in other children at all, but the toys,all different from the ones at home, it was very exciting. I felt it was really helpful to be around the fist times he would have to learn to share, experience children snatching the toys he was using and following the mini routine of the group – which around here seemed to be: free play, then snack, singing or story, free play OR craft.

    I went to a couple of places that felt horrendous, a place that I liked but he didn’t: it was massive, but settled on 3 or 4 we were both happy and comfortable with.
    For me, it made the transition to nursery/ pre-school easier. At the beginning of going to groups, I had a child who really needed to see me and make sure I was around, then got more and more confident. When he was old enough to completely ignore me, and disappear in the garden with other friends, it was time to start pre-school.

    I felt a lot of pressure hearing people constantly going about baby class, baby massage/music/dance/swimming then toddler everything group, so I did try a few things to see what would work best for my own child. The very first was the singing group at the library: everybody sings so there’s no time to talk anyway!

    Around here: library was free, Groups at the Children and family Centre were free, children group in halls (usually church) were voluntary donations of £1 or £1.50 – but coffee/tea and biscuit for grown-ups, private groups had various prices.

    Only my own experience, Some parents have something organised every morning and afternoon, we had a few mornings a week towards the end.

    • Oluchi
      May 22, 2019

      I completely agree with everything in this article. I also have some social anxiety…no one I know believes it as I come across as extroverted and smiley. But it requires so much energy and I usually want to run home and sleep after a short time. It’s just the way I am, I wouldn’t change it, I’m pretty happy and I have all the friends and family I need. There is a lot of pressure to go to these groups. My GP and everyone on the planet keeps telling me I need to go, each with a different reason that may or may not be valid or relevant to me. I have been to about four or five baby group sessions because (and only because) where I live they cleverly trap you by combining it with baby weigh-ins. All babies are different but my baby does seem to benefit from them. At 5 months, he’s not particularly interested in “playing” with other babies his age other than to steal their toys. But he observes how I socialise with others, and he watches what other babies do. He gets to play with an insane amount of toys which he loves but it eventually overwhelms him. He sleeps for longer when we get back, and seems more settled and more “chatty”. I also take him to baby swimming lessons which are great as you don’t really have to worry about socialising – the focus is on the swimming. There is some evidence that these mum and baby sessions can be beneficial to both mums (or dads) and babies especially those who do not have a strong social network at home. It’s mainly because modern society has gotten rid of the large social networks that we evolved with…friends work, or travel abroad etc and it can get boring and lonely for some people. Also I’m pretty sure these groups are good for their immunity seeing as toys get chewed, vomited on, and passed round. Some times it’s been super socially awkward and you do get some brilliant and some terrible advice in equal measure. You will get the occasional person who will criticise whatever you do, but I usually ignore them or if they really wind me up, I come up with a reason why they’re probably wrong (there is no right or wrong, but there’s always a counter argument if you can be bothered. For example, where is the evidence that caffeine is bad for babies? Has that ever been researched? I should think not. It would not get ethical approval. Logic tells me I shouldn’t drink too much coffee and therefore I don’t, but logic isn’t proof). And anyway all a baby needs is to be loved and nurtured, and as parents we can provide that even on our own. They will eventually go to nursery or school and they will meet kids there. And for those that are so eager to criticise other parents, until your kid turns 23, you don’t know if you’re doing a good job or not so I’d withhold judgement. I went to a boarding school – controversial – all the pupils were different, some were shy, some were loud, some took drugs, some were “gifted” or “clever”, and one girl went on a strike involving not having a shower for a year. People criticised our parents for sending us away from home (abroad) to board. They said they didn’t love us enough – really. Yet absolutely everyone of us turned out just fine. As did my friends who didn’t go to boarding schools. And I feel my parents are the most awesome parents out there and I love them to the moon and back. Their critics got it completely wrong. There are many ways to raise a good human being, choose whichever one(s) make you happy.

  • Liz
    January 18, 2019

    Oh I could have written this. I have an almost 3 year old and an 8 month and so far we have never been to playgroup or parents group. Not even once.

    We do play dates with existing friends and family and so far, so good. I think I may have to cave this year as my oldest is starting to need the extra stimulation but you better believe I’ll be picking the playgroup where I already no most of the people and don’t have to do the small talk, make friends dance. Thank you small towns where everyone knows everyone.

  • Steph
    January 18, 2019

    I’m actually really happy to read this post because I’m not a Mum yet, but I ALREADY have chronic anxiety at the thought of going to things like this! I’m not shy exactly, but if I had the choice I would only spend my time with my chosen people and avoid everyone else at all costs. As it is I barely manage to tolerate work! I hadn’t really thought about it much until a friend told me a story about the time she took her daughter to a music/sing-a-long class, who promptly fell asleep the moment they sat in the circle. She was too embarrassed to leave so she just sat cross legged on the floor with a load of singing mums in agonizing awkwardness! I just know that would be me, and I can’t bare the thought! I am hoping very much that I have enough other babies in my circle when the time comes that I won’t feel the need to go!

    • Amber
      January 18, 2019

      The sing-a-long groups are my worst nightmare, because I am literally the worst singer in the world – I can’t even sing nursery rhymes in tune, so I’d end up having to just mime along or something!

      • Myra
        January 18, 2019

        If you wanted Max to go to a music group, his grandad could take him, although I think he’d enjoy his grandad just playing to and with him more.

  • Liz Tea Bee
    January 18, 2019

    I think your situation is fairly unusual. I do think it’s valuable to have social interactions with other parents who are at the same point in parenting as you. If you already have a lot of friends with young children and two friends who are pregnant at the same time you already have that. No small part of the “new friends” fixation is probably born out of people’s experiences of largely being dropped by childless friends when they had kids.

    • Alice
      January 18, 2019

      Why do you think this? I don’t think this at all! I have a two year old, I don’t feel any great desire to have friends who also have two year olds? Some of my friends and colleagues have older children, some have none, they are still my friends. I find this very bizarre!

  • Lila
    January 18, 2019

    I an quite shy and dread these groups. All my childen went to playgroup at 2 and a half and nursery at aged 3+
    Playgroup was essential, it taught a lot of things and was a pre-curser to nursery.
    You didn’t have to stay with your child, there was a rota whereby once a month you, your parntner or a grandparent would stay to help out. Not sure what routines there are now. Wild horses wouldn’t have made me join any baby (or adult) groups now or the . You might find a group you really want to take Max to before playgroup/nursery, if the subject is interesting, at a library or a community centre, who knows ?

    • Amber
      January 18, 2019

      From what I’ve heard, it’s still the same with the parents having to be on a rota, and I was really surprised by that: it just seems odd to me to assume that all parents will have the necessary skills to be able to manage groups of children who aren’t their own (I definitely don’t!), or that they’ll even want to. For me, I’m happy to look after my own child, but I’d be really uncomfortable being responsible for other people’s, and, tbh, if I was leaving Max at a playgroup, I’d want to know he was being cared for by people with the correct training and qualifications, rather than by random parents who are just there because they’re forced to take a turn. So that definitely wouldn’t be for us – I think I’d rather go to the groups, actually, if I had to do something!

      • Alice Woo
        January 18, 2019

        These are very different from any group I’ve heard of. I’ve never seen any group where the parent didn’t stay with the child, not for children under 3 at least. And I’d agree, if I needed childcare I’d pay for a known competent person!

        • Amber
          January 18, 2019

          I’d have also thought there would be an issue with insurance etc if playgroups are making un-vetted parents help out? Don’t people providing childcare have to have some kind of security checks done first?

      • Lila
        January 25, 2019

        I think there are always two people or more in charge and fully qualified of the children. The parents on rota would help with other things. It might be useful to speak to someone who’s child is at a playgroup or ask to speak to someone who is in charge of one. That way you can have any questions you have answered and any myths dispelled, if there are any to dispell. I went round all the places I knew for my first child, just to see what was what, meet those in charge and learn their routines. They often ask to meet you before your child starts too.

        • Amber
          January 25, 2019

          I did some reading and also have a friend who’s
          baby is in a playgroup and it only seems to be community playgroups that require parents to help out, so we definitely won’t be sending him to one of those – neither of us are keen to be on playgroup rotas!

  • Hazel Ann
    January 18, 2019

    They are not necessary if you don’t want to go. But if you are the kind of person who gets lonely, they can be a life line.
    The friends I have made at these groups are some of the most important people in my life, they’ve helped me through very dark days, and it was the fact that they are at the same stage with children that meant they were able to be there for me in that way. So if you don’t want to go, don’t force yourself. But also don’t discount them totally. All groups are different and some I’ve been to were NOT for me, and then some now feel like family.

    • Amber
      January 18, 2019

      I don’t get lonely, but I do get very, very bored trying to entertain him at home all day, which is one of the reasons I was wondering if I should give them a try – I’m just not sure if the anxiety it causes would be worth it! I suppose it probably depends on what the group is, though: if there was one where everyone was a blogger, say, so I knew I’d have something in common with them other than kids, that could change my mind. (Or if there was one where you got to play with puppies, say, or baby goats. That would definitely work 😉 )

      • Alice
        January 18, 2019

        Yes – this was my main motivation for going – just to local free council groups (which don’t tend to be full of sanctimonious middle class people, just normal humans!). Because it gives me a place where there are new things to entertain my child, and also where the focus is on her and I’m not thinking “but I really need to get the washing up done”. I got on fine with the other parents during the hour of the group but didn’t socialise with them otherwise.

        What you really need is one of those co-working spaces with a creche that i have heard about………

  • Linda Libra Loca
    January 18, 2019

    I have two Kids and didn´t go to antenatal groups or any Mum and Baby gropus. Not because I am socially shy, quite the contrary, but I am a) a doctor, so I didn´t need to learn about childbirth, I already knew, and b) I went back to working full time pretty early on, so I had no time to spend my Monday mornings at groups and didn´t want to share the kids time I had after work with others. Selfish? Probably.
    But both my kids are very sociable and agreeable human beings that don´t seem to have suffered.
    At least not now, maybe I´ll get told otherwise once they are adults and start therapy.
    I´ll report back then.

    Anne|Linda, Libra, Loca

    • Amber
      January 18, 2019

      Probably not, thoug